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#88218 12/22/11 05:15 PM
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I would like to get a camera for an out door enthusiast. Some of the posters take incredible photos of their trips, so I am sure there are some great choices out there. I would like to get something that is packable, yet very good quality. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

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Some of the best outdoor photos are found on this site. That said, I'm not the type to lug a dSLR and a full compliment of lenses up the mountain. Instead, a pocket size, built for outdoor use camera such as the Panasonic Lumix DMC-TS3 might fit the bill. A bit water resistant, insulated against freezing and shock protected at a reasonable price.

These can take a beating. Remember the compact camera sliding into oblivion a few years ago off Half Dome?

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If money isn't an issue, I'd look at the Sony NEX line. The NEX-7 just got Pop Photo's Camera of the Year. 24 megapixels in a body that isn't much larger than the standard Point-and-Shoot. I've recently started shooting with the NEX-5N. My P&S cameras are collecting dust now... even worse, my DSLRs haven't been out in over a year... want to buy a used camera?

The Panasonic and Sony "Travel Zoom" cameras are also take excellent photos. I think Sony took over the lead for better looking "snow" photos a couple of years ago.

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I am looking to replace my ancient 5mp Sony DSC-F717. Right now, the NEX7 is leading the pack. I have looked at DSLR's, but I am not going to hike with the equivalent of a concrete block hanging around my neck. The only bad thing about the camera is the wallet busting $1200 price (body only, lenses extra). The recently upgraded NEX3 and NEX5 models are a lower priced alternative. For an extensive, professional level review of this camera, see here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonynex7/

Richard P - Can you tell how resistant to trail dust the NEX5 is? I have had my older camera cleaned twice in the 6 years that I have used it. I even had to have my wrist watch cleaned once when it stopped running due to trail dust build up.

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Not!

I don't know if I've got dust in the lens or stuborn dust on the sensor, but if you look at magnified images, you'll see spots.

Taking it down to the Volcanoes of Mexio probably didn't help in that regard.

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I also am searching for a replacement for my point & shoot which died after hitting water.

The expensive Sony NEX-7 looks interesting but is still a lunker at over 1 lb. It's certainly not pocket sized with the standard lens. The lighter the better for me.

I need a camera that has an optical viewfinder since I wear distance glasses on the trail. It's difficult, unless I lift up my glasses, to see the back LCD/OLED panel.

Also, many cameras tend to freeze up in the cold weather.

And it certainly would be nice to have both wide angle for the vista shots and auto-zoom optical magnification for the close-ups.

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Canon had plenty of super-light cameras in the ELPH line. Don't know whether any of them have an optical viewfinder any more. (Last optical viewfinder I had on a P&S was back in '04 with another Sony I shot with for a while. I quit looking for it after that camera. If I get glare on the LCD, I just shoot randomly and often. Digital Film is cheap.)

You're talking snapshots though. Now way is a camera like that going to match the quality of the cameras with a larger sensor. (Same story as making a comparison between my 7D and any of the 5D shooters. Easy to see the increase in quality of the full-frame sensor cameras that Carole and Ryan carry.)

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I recently decided to upgrade as well. Pocket sized was important to me. I settled on the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5. It is currently selling between $300-400.

It fits in a small case that I attach to the chest strap on my pack. I bought some accessories that screw on to it -- some filters, etc. (You can also get a screw on wide angle, additional telephoto, and either an optical or digital viewfinder, but these accessories are pricey). Without the screw on attachments, the camera is small and compact - basically pocketsized. With the attachments, less so.

The key to this camera is its lens, which is made by Leica. High quality for the size and price. Very fast (F2.0). I love taking pictures in low light with no flash with this camera. The built in telephoto is surprisingly decent.

It's all about what tradeoffs you want. I wanted the best lens in a supercompact camera, and that's what I got. I am taking it up Kilimanjaro with me.

Good luck!

Akichow #88232 12/23/11 03:41 AM
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Thank you for the responses. I have some good info to move forward with.

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I've said this before and I'll say it again now...don't just look at the megapixel count but pay close attention to the sensor size (physical dimensions). The primary difference between the image quality of a point'n'shoot versus a DSLR isn't the pixel count. My wife's little Nikon Coolpix has the same nominal pixel count (10 meg) as my Nikon D200 DSLR. However, there is at least a 2:1 difference in linear dimension (4:1 diff in area) between the sensors. Our ability to lay down features on silicon is a whole lot better than our ability to focus visible light onto said sensor, at least with reasonably-affordable glass. Her Coolpix has a tiny little zoom lens, not the big honkin' 12~24 and 24~120 zooms that I carry with the D200. If you figure on the 16x24mm DX sensor in the D200, it has about 2500x4000 pixels (I'm rounding to make the math easier), which says about 150 pixels per millimeter. In order to use all of those pixels, my glass has to throw an image with at least 75 line pairs/mm onto the sensor. Some of the best glass Nikon has ever made (fixed-focal-length lenses, not zooms) would hit 100 lp/mm at their optimal aperture, so the D200 is already at or just beyond the limit for what my good zooms will do. When you shrink the imager to something like the Coolpix has, you'd need lenses capable of laying down 300-400 lp/mm to actually use all those pixels, so in a point'n'shoot, no way will it matter whether you have "only" 6 megapix, 10, 12 or 20...your image quality is limited by the imager SIZE and the glass in front of it. T'other thing is in sensitivity...the larger pixel size in the D200 lets it capture more photons per pixel at a given exposure, so the sensitivity is higher and imager (electronic) noise is significantly lower, especially if you run the ISO setting up under dim lighting conditions.

That said, I really like the NEX3/5/7 line from Sony. Same imager SIZE as my D200 but a whole lot lilghter and if you are willing to hike with just the 16mm "pancake" wideangle, it's a very compact unit. The 18~55 zoom is a bit of a honker but the rig is still a lot lighter than my D200. I'm seriously considering an NEX-7 at some point, especially if I get back into underwater photography as well as mountain stuff...takes a lot less bulky housing to dive with an NEX-7 than a D200!

If you want to compare different cameras in the hands of the same photographer, take a look through the "highpointing" and "travel" sections of my web site. The stuff from Huyna Picchu (travels) and the highpointing trips from 2001 - 2004 were shot with a 3-megapixel Nikon 990 or 4-megapixel Nikon 4500. Stuff after 2006 or so was shot with the D200.

While we're on the subject, the other primary question to ask is, "how do I want to use the images?" If you're like my wife and take your flash card to the local one-hour photo kiosk for 4x6 prints, a point'n'shoot will be more than good enough. If you're using them for web publishing, ditto...even a "high definition" monitor may be 1920x1080 pixels or about 2 megapixels, so your source images are still a factor of two to five better than anybody can look at, full-screen. However, if you're after pro-quality 8x10 or larger prints, you need the larger imager size and will need at least something like an NEX3/5/7 or a DSLR. (Figure at 300 points per inch on the paper an 8x10 is 2400x3000 pixels or about 7 megpixels. With my old 3-meg Nikon 990, I could just barely get a clear 8x10 out of it if I could use every pixel in the original image and didn't have to crop very much. It's a lot easier with the D200...)

Getting off my soapbox now...splinters hurt my toes...

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I recently purchased the Canon Power Shot S95. It puts out some solid shots and has a lot of user controls for those who are used to shooting with DSLR's.

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Speaking of cameras, what type of batteries do you use? I have been to Baldy when its cold and my camera won't work. When I get to the car it will work. Are the lithium batteries the best when its really cold out? Thanks

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Lithium battery can handle the cold temperature much better, much light, and also more expensive.
Always test the battery by placing it in the refrigerator freezer for a few hours, and see if it still worked. Defective one would not, and I don't take those up the mountain.

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Forgot to mention that some lithium battery voltage may be slightly higher than advertised (i.e. 1.9v instead of 1.5v). The only way to find out is with a voltage meter. If you have electronic sensative to the voltage spike, don't use lithium.

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Thanks for that information. I guess I'd rather pay a bit more for the lithium type of battery in order to make sure I get the picture. Also thanks for the testing tip, great idea! Thanks

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Originally Posted By Randy S
Speaking of cameras, what type of batteries do you use? I have been to Baldy when its cold and my camera won't work. When I get to the car it will work. Are the lithium batteries the best when its really cold out? Thanks


If you're in a cold environment, keep the batteries in your pants pocket until right before you're shooting.
This way the batteries are kept warm.
Another possibility is keeping the camera inside your jacket.

ocn2mtz #88255 12/24/11 10:38 PM
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OK. Yeah I've been keeping it inside my pack until I've needed it. Thanks again.


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