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I have a group going June 4. Two of us are leaving at 4:00a for a summit attempt and the others (no experience) are going at 8:00a. It would be great if someone could let me know the conditions so I can tell people what to expect. Things like if the trail is easy for first timers to follow and are light hiking boots going to work? Is the trail past Trail Crest passable without roping up? Any tips would be great. Thanks.

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Hello High Trek,

Our team of 3 first-timers successfully summitted on Saturday May 28th (day 2 of a 3 day trip) - so here, hopefully, are a few answers to your questions.

Following the trail: It pretty much disappears into the white above about 9,500', though we found segments exposed, and certainly plenty of footprints to follow. You kind of get to pick your own route - use your best judgement. I'm sure it will only improve this week in the summer heat though. Still, there is a LOT of snow still up there, and above 10,000' that's probably all you will be walking on, all the way to Trail Crest. I'd be surprised if it changes that much between now and this coming Saturday. Crampons (early in the day) and snowshoes (after about 1pm) were both essential. An ice axe is a good idea too, for self-arrest if you have to - there are some long, pretty exposed snow slopes we found ourselves on. We did not do the switchbacks up to Trail Crest since they appeared partially obscured; we opted instead like everyone else for the couloir to the north - a long, hard slog but manageable with crampons, ice axe and a solid amount of grit and determination. The trail above Trail Crest did not require any roping up - for the most part the trail is clear, or on low-grade rocky snow slopes. The worst problem up there was post-holing up there, especially on the descent when the snow got soft. Aside from that, there are just a few short sketchy bits on the trail with pretty severe exposure, where extreme focus and some very careful footing in the snow is required. Then again, this will surely have melted still more by the weekend so might be less of an issue for you.

Boots and equipment: I took my entry-level Vasque gore-tex boots and they were fine, got a little wet especially after all the post-holing on our descent - so I'd say whatever you're most comfortable wearing is fine, as long as they're waterproof. Gaiters were essential too. We rented axes, crampons and snow shoes, and even with limited experience in their use (a snow travel class 2 weeks before) found all of them very necessary in making our progress quicker, more secure, and more enjoyable. Take sensible layers of clothing, including wind and waterproof shell (top & bottom) - the wind up high was freezing cold late in the day and at night.

One crucial point - DRINK WATER, lots of it. On someone's advice, I started hydrating 3 days before the climb, chugging down about 4 liters a day (yes, you will pee like a horse, but seriously, I'm convinced it helped me) - and then took a 3-liter camelpak on the hike which I refilled several times. Kept sipping all the way, no problem with dehydration, no headaches. Bear in mind that there are mixed theories about the safety of the water available up there, either from streams or melted snow - anyhow we chose to purify everything with iodine tabs, and so far so good. For food - Clif Bars and Trader Joes "Tasty Bites" dinners. They got us to the top - but I never want to see one of those things again. One note - if you're camping, you will need a bear canister for storing all edibles - even up at Trail Camp, where there are supposedly no bears, marmots and ground squirrels can make life interesting.

Lastly, regards your timing: I can only pass on how long it took us, as three 30-something first-timers, with little to no experience of snow travel, of fitnesses ranging from very fit regular marathon-runner to averagely healthy thrice weekly 3-mile jogger, in the current conditions on the mountain: Day 1 - departed at 6am, and including some very necessary 1/2 hour rests, it took us almost 8 hours to reach Trail Camp; Day 2 - a 7am departure from Trail Camp, 5.5 hours to summit at 12:30pm, and 4 hours to descend back to Trail Camp at 5pm; Day 3 - 3.5 hours to descend back to the Portal, by noon. It was not easy; even in 3 days, it was a tough outing with a variety of different weather, temperature and surface conditions. It did make for a really rich mountain experience though. Now, the summit is achievable in one day right now, because we met others up there doing the one-day shot - though I was certainly glad that we weren't trying it that way! Starting at 4am, I'd say you are in for a long, extremely arduous but amazingly rewarding day if you're not camping over. I would say though, that starting at 8am, your friends will not summit unless a) they're supremely fit, very experienced with snow travel, and well acclimatized to high altitudes, or b)they're planning on camping over at Trail Camp for a Day 2 summit. Bear in mind that the average round-trip time, in summer, is 16 hours - and current conditions are still pretty wintery. In any event, note that one very real danger is the possibility of late afternoon thunderstorms if you summit later in the day - both days we were up there the cumulus clouds started rolling in at about 2pm, and it seemed like a good idea not to be hiking with the possibility of rain or much worse, lightning in the area. If you can summit before 2pm, so much the better. One guy came down the same evening we got to Trail Camp at about 7:30pm after his 4pm solo summit, and described the experience of being up there that late, that close to a possible thunderstorm, as VERY scary. Added to that, you absolutely don't want to be descending in the dark. So I'd say plan your timing around that - above all things, a basic montaineering rule I've heard many times, agree on a time to turn around and descend, regardless of whether or not you make it to the summit, and STICK to it without exception. No prizes for getting stuck up there overnight without shelter!

Whatever your plans though, go with the attitude that it will be a wonderful trip even if you don't get to the top. This is a beautiful, unique and spectacular place that very few people get to see in the state it's currently in - you will not regret it, regardless of how far you get.

Hope all this answers your questions! Feel free to fire away with more, though there are many out there with way more experience than us, (who should PLEASE correct me where I'm wrong or where their experience differs) I'll try to answer as best I can, with the experience we gained over a truly incredible, memorable and thrilling Memorial Day weekend. Two main things I learned - 1), this is a BIG mountain, and don't underestimate it - and 2), by the same token, don't underestimate yourself, because with careful planning, a little knowledge, the right gear, the right attitude, and some common sense, you can do it! Thanks to the folks at Sierra Mountaineering in Bishop for their tips and teaching on the finer points of snow travel, to all te posters on this board for their sgared knowledge and expereince, to all the great people we met on the mountain doing the same thing we were for their shared experience and companionship, and to my super-human super-star teammates Rich and Stu for making it such a blast.

Kilimanjaro's next!

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Thanks kappstad,

All your info is very helpful. Just to let you know that we are not totally insane the 8:00a group has no intention of reaching the summit. Our plan for both groups is go as far as we can and be off the snow by sundown or before.

Thanks Again

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My group summitted on Sunday, and I really recommend getting an early start on the gully from Trail Camp to Trail Crest. The more frozen the snow, the better off you'll be. I really don't recommend trying to trek up there when the snow goes isothermic.

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Where did you rent the crampons from?

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I summitted on Sunday, here's a quick outline of my impressions:

1 - I did not use snowshoes the entire trip and didn't find anywhere they were necessary.

2 - I only used crampons from trail camp to trail crest, they were not necessary (for us) anywhere else.

3 - This is my fourth main trail snow summit and I have never found any of the "exposure" to be daunting. In fact we glissaded down the chute in 1.5 minutes from trail crest to trail camp: so the slope is definitely manageable (and fun).

4 – I have come down off the summit of Whitney in the dark and even summitted at 9 p.m. once. Climbing in the dark is a personal decision and one you must feel comfortable with (and be prepared for) but for me and my climbing partners we have not had a problem with it, and have quite enjoyed it.

5 – I have never used a rope on the main trail, only on the Mountaineers route.

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If you don't want to posthole when the snow turns isothermic, then I recommend snowshoes. Especially, if you have a heavy pack on during your descent and if the time is past 12:00 in the day. Also, be careful on any of the slopes after it turns isothermic. As the temperatures increase, and the mountain slopes don't freeze, the chance of slides is much much higher. From trail camp to trail crest, I do recommend to go up early when the gully is frozen, with Crampons and an ice axe. Postholing is not fun when climbing up a steep chute. When you return from the summit, you should have some softer snow to travel down the chute.

The exposure on the John Muir Trail to the summit is not that bad, and most of the trail has melted off except for the back side of the summit. Here it can get a little dicey if you start postholing. Once again, try to make the summit early in the day before the sun has had time to heat up the snow. Coming back from the summit, the snow started getting softer, and it doesn't take long before the entire snow pack gets soft. Thats when you start post holing, and that makes life tough, especially if every 2- 3 steps is a posthole (this is why I recommend snowshoes below trail camp). There were a lot of frozen postholes from the day before.

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Kaapstad,

Very thorough and informative trip report for a first timer. Many of your suggestions are appropriate for first timers and as well as experienced Mt. Whitney walkers.

Thanks for taking the time to provide a complete report.


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