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I have my sights set on Pico de Orizaba and was wondering if anyone on this forum has climbed it unguided. My understanding is that it is not a technical climb. My friend is climbing Orizaba with Mountain Madness and wants me to join her expedition. One concern I have it that the itinerary takes climbers from the town of Puebla to Tlachichuca. Then they travel in 4-wheel drive vehicles up the flanks of Orizaba to the hut at Piedra Grande (13,972'). The next morning is summit push. I don't like the idea of driving to 13,972'. Is this standard on Orizaba or do some guiding companies start the climb at a lower altitude? Any info would be greatly appreciated!

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You don't need a guide for Orizaba. It's basic mountaineering. Of course, basic mountaineering is relative. To answer your question, yes, it's standard to drive up the the Piedra Grande hut and head for the summit the next day. You can always do an acclimatization hike and stay for two nights. I did Izta and Orizaba in five days last Thanksgiving. My friends and I acclimatize the weekend before on White Mountain. We slept at 12k' the first night and close to the summit of White Mt. the second night. Do your research, ask questions.

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I climbed Orizaba back in 1982 with a buddy. You don't need a guide but you do need to be careful. While we were on the mountain the lower half of the glacier was bare ice so a slip could mean 1000'+ slide down 20-30 degree ice. The night after we climbed while staying in the hut at Piedra Grande the wind picked up to probably 100mph plus. It was blowing out windows all night and pushing large rocks off the window sills. Years later I met a man from Mexico who told me his old boss' son was killed in an avalanche on Orizaba. The altitude is brutal if you're not prepared. We ran into a couple climbers on their way down with symptoms of pulmonary edema. The Mexicans we met were all very nice and really appreciated donations of used climbing equipment (after seeing some crampons fashioned out of barbed wire...). Have fun!

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Three friends of mine and I did the volcanos several years ago. No, you don't need a guide for the mountains but:
1) You will need to rent a car from the airport to Amecameca and Tlachichuca. DON'T drive at night as there are many cars on the highways and roads without lights.
2) I forgot the name of the family that keeps your car safe in Tlachichuca.
3) The native indians have a shuttle service from the town to the climbing hut. The fee is nominal. You WANT a ride to the hut as it is a long hike otherwise.
4) Be prepared for changes in the weather. A whiteout developed when we got to the rim. INTERESTINGLY, out of no where, two little dogs appeared out of the mist and led us to the top. Guardian angels???

We stashed our gear in the rocks away from the hut as thefts have occurred there.
Until you get to the snow, the climb will be grueling because the soil is all volcanic sand.
We did see a solo climber from France slip and slide down 1000 ft. We saw him get up and assumed he was OK.
If you have never been out of the U.S. be prepared for a culture shock, this part of Mexico is not Acapulco or one of the other tourist meccas - it is rural, with lots of poverty, homes without electricity or running water. For many people shoes are a luxury and the their mode of transportation is the burro, no BMWs there. The washing machine is the local river.
BTW, the best tortillas I've ever had were in Tlachichuca, freshly handmade; they were better than my grandmother's!

Our trip was successful without a guide because we did a lot of research months before about hotels, car rentals, the highways and probably because I speak fluent spanish ;-)

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I'm heading down there in November alone (flying into Mexico City), but meeting up with a guy from MN. I was going to solo the climb, but found a partner through SP. PM me if you have any questions.

Of course, you are more than welcome to join me on Orizaba and Ixta! grin

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Kevin, guido and Oscar...thank you so much for the info!!! Much appreciated!

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I'm heading down there in November alone (flying into Mexico City), but meeting up with a guy from MN. I was going to solo the climb, but found a partner through SP. PM me if you have any questions.

Of course, you are more than welcome to join me on Orizaba and Ixta! grin

TT...I am so tempted to tag along with you and your climbing partner from MN. Dave and I are going to Hawaii and then OC late Nov./early Dec. and I can't take that much time off work. I wish I could go with you guys! mad
If I go this season, it will be in Jan. '08.


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PS If you're a little adventurous, you do not need to rent a car. We took a bus from Veracruz that dropped us off about 10 miles (if I remember right) from Tlachichuca. Everyone wants to give you a ride up the hill into town (we tipped generously). We also stashed our gear in a rocky area away from the hut while we climbed. When we left Piedra Grande, a Mexican family we met at the hut gave us a ride in the back of their truck to Cordoba (down the another side of the mountain) where we caught a bus to Mexico City. This family (including 70+ year old Grandma) had climbed to the hut (14,000') from 10,000' as they told us they did every Christmas. When they dropped us off in Cordoba, they refused all attempts by us to pay them some money for the ride.

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