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#64487 07/06/09 03:27 PM
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Loaded the camper on to the back of the truck and headed north to the Portal EARLY on the 4th. Picked up the permits which took a little longer because their computers were down.

Got an email on the iPhone from Dave aka sefreet who went up on the 3rd. He said the snow and ice were no problem for him. He was in sneakers and used poles.

Filled up on diesel and propane in Lone Pine and still made the Portal just after 0900. Did a drive by on the campground which was full as I expected. All of the hiker lots were full as well. Parked in the day use lot and went to chat with Doug and order breakfast. When I got back to the truck 1/2 hour later the day use lot was full as well with cars circling trying to get a spot. Took a long nap after breakfast and when my brother rolled in around 4 we moved the truck/camper to the overflow hiker lot. Topped off the tummy with a store burger/fries. All in all it was a pretty mellow 4th of July - I did get to fly my new flag from the mount on the camper. No fireworks or gunshots that I heard.

Hit the trail just before 0300. I switched to my bigger daypack to have room for my fleece and to have a spot to hang my treking poles from (I wanted them in case I needed them in the snow/ice).
Made decent time up to trailcamp with a couple of breaks along the way. One small patch of snow before trail camp with two "lanes" in it. On the way down the snow had softened up enough that I postholed as fall as a man can posthole. Thought I would need a crane to get my big arse out.

Pretty much everyone we talked to was worried about the cables - I passed on what I had heard from Dave and we headed up to see for ourselves. When we reached the cables I couldn't see what the fuss was about. Now that I have seen Richard P's pic from the 3rd that changes my opinion - a little. On the 5th when we went past most of the snow was gone from the rocks nearest the cables. We walked on the rocks and held onto the cables.

Trailcrest was plenty cold and windy and I was glad I brought the fleece and gloves. Lots of folks in t shirts and shorts though. I left my long sleeve hiking shirt and pant legs on all day and for the 1st time I didn't sunburn. smile There is a stretch of trail covered with snow just before Trailcrest but it wasn't much of a problem. A couple spots on the switchbacks snow is causing small "reroutes" of the trail. No big problem there either.

About 1/2 way to the summit from Trailcrest my sister in law started feeling ill. My brother started making plans to take her back down (he had stuff in the camper - I had stuff in the car, etc) - while we sorted that out she starting feeling better. The two of them actually hit the summit 5 minutes ahead of me. There is a patch of snow on the trail just before you make that "right" turn to head up to the hut - as mentioned in another TR, a slip here wouldn't be that bad. At the top the sickness reappeared (probably never left) so they quickly left. I signed in, took some pics, changed socks and broke out my pole. I figured since I carried them all this way I would use them some. They did make the snow/ice easier, but it wasn't too hard to begin with. Caught up with the group at Trailcrest and we headed down. Nothing to note of the downhill 1/2 except for the posthole to my..................

The trail is getting better every day. Many people had the strap on spikes (as seen in the Portal Store) but I think that is overkill. Saw one person with crampons. I also saw people with tennis shoes and no poles/ice axe/crampons. Each person knows their skill level and what they are comfortable with. My brother and I grew up in Iowa so we have walked on snow before. smile If you want to carry crampons/ice axe etc - go for it. They don't weigh much anyways. Your milage may vary.....................................................DUG

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Congrats DUGster... can't wait to see the pics...


"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes." -Marcel Proust
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Congrats DUGster... can't wait to see the pics...


Pics won't be for a day or two. I canceled my Time Warner internet because they were down all the time and Verizon can't get here until Tuesday. Six months ago I had dial up or HughesNet - today I have anything I want. smile..................DUG

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Superstar! Sounds like a great trip. Hope to catch you next time!

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Originally Posted By MooseTracks
Superstar! Sounds like a great trip. Hope to catch you next time!

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How was your trip?.....................DUG


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DUG: congrats! You're the winner of the Moosie teaser for this past weekend! Trip was outstanding, a true challenge, especially solo. LOVED IT!! TR to come, hopefully in the next day or so.

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4 July 09: Cables were a cakewalk compared to the last time I was up there. Dug, sorry not to have met you. What a difference a day, and even a few hours makes on the mountain, eh?
It was also nice to finally meet Richard P, Jack and Betsy. Jack told me some great stories!



Uppermost switcher just a wee bit slippery, I passed through the switchers at 9:00 and again around 3:00 or so. This group of Backpackers/hikers went through fine w/out crampons.



I am still deathly afraid of heights, though. eek

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Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to look at the White Mountain Weather Station data for Sunday. Gusts up in to the 60's on White.

I thought about you, Jack and Betsy as I rode thru Lone Pine on Sunday evening, knowing it had to be windy up there too.

Blooty, good finally meeting you after crossing paths on a couple of climbs without realizing who you were. It WAS funny that I was climbing in shorts on such an ugly day back in May. I do remember our short conversation on the west side.

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Felt like gusts of 100 mph on 395 south. I was wondering how much wind it takes to flip a big ole truck with a camper - luckily we didn't find out. It probably wasn't that bad, it was just my 1st time in the wind with the new camper and I was a little tired from my walk.

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Another thought just popped into my mind:

Full throttle on the bike for 51mph while heading back down to Lone Pine from Independence. It WAS blowing hard!

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My son and I were up there too, on the afternoon of the 5th, and we WERE 1st timers. Should I have a problem with some of the pictures and comments that I see about traversing the snow fields in tennis shoes, or the pictures I see with people with no poles and bending over to "hold" onto the snow? We were SCARED to death. The trail in the snow is only two foot-widths wide, and if you fall without an ice axe, your DEAD, end of story. The people bending over, sideways to the trail seem to be in more danger of slipping than standing straight up. Looking for correction here if I'm wrong about my opinions; I think the experienced people should continue to advise against a lack of caution. BTW, this was the most exhilarating hike of my life!

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Hey Dan,

Glad you and Zack are back and had a great time! Congrats, Berne

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I've had the same reaction as DLaB regarding the safety of traversing the snowy bootpath without an ice axe. You're fine as long as you don't have a misstep; if you do...

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Originally Posted By SoCal Jim
I've had the same reaction as DLaB regarding the safety of traversing the snowy bootpath without an ice axe. You're fine as long as you don't have a misstep; if you do...


Depends on what you're comfortable with. We didn't all pop out of cookie cutter molds. There are 1st timers who can get through there with no worries or issues and more traveled folks who would need to turn around. There are plenty of other places in life besides the Whitney Main Trail that if you take a misstep you're in trouble. My last job on the USS Nimitz was like that. Crossing a street in NYC can be like that. My 75 mile comute to Naval Station San Diego EVERY DAY is like that (more dangerous actually). I personally wouldn't advise anyone NOT to go. I would strongly advise against exceeding your comfort/skill level.......................................DUG

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Yeah admonishing 1st timers and people who wear tennis shoes or don't have the "right gear" In their OPINIONS are just control freaks who think everyone should conform to how "they" do things.

Whitney is a beautiful mountain no doubt about it and being the highest in the lower 48 is bound to bring all types from rookies to experts and they will all have an opinion. Any expert will tell you Whitney is an easy mountain to hike or climb especially during the summer and fall months. People here on this board like to over hype the difficulty of this hike for one reason or another. Looking at the pictures in this post, if you need crampons and an ice axe for that little bit of snow you should stick to the bunny slopes at some posh resort in Beverly Hills where they make fake snow, but what ever you do don't come to Colorado where the snow on some mountains is still 3-4 feet on trail and the exposure is alot more extreme, you might think it's Everest..............LMAO!

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Originally Posted By DUG67


There are plenty of other places in life besides the Whitney Main Trail that if you take a misstep you're in trouble. Crossing a street in NYC can be like that. My 75 mile comute to Naval Station San Diego EVERY DAY is like that (more dangerous actually). I personally wouldn't advise anyone NOT to go.

Well said, Dug. But even without snow, even the most expert hiker could trip on an untied shoelace, slip on some loose scree... chit happens. I was scared this time, and I was scared last time. When you stop being cautious is when you are most likely to have an accident, no matter your skill level. IMHO.

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