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#101827 05/04/17 12:21 AM
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Crion started the 2017 post with a great trip report!

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Went up the main trail on April 25-26 (overnight at trail camp). A few snow patches on the first switchbacks and full snow cover from ~2800m. Snow is pretty weak most of the way, but we didn't experience enough postholing to need snowshoes. The trail (clearly visible when we went) goes along the creek up to bighorn park, avoiding the switchbacks above the lone pine lake. From what I could find these switchbacks seem to be one of the areas susceptible to avalanches, so I was happy to avoid them. The trade-off is crossing the creek on weakening snow. The snow bridge was firm when we crossed both ways and the water level in the creek was low.
From the outpost camp to Trail camp, the trail mostly follows the normal route. The trail pretty much stopped at the tail camp with some faint tracks visible above. We took the chute up to the crest. Snow was softish even in the morning, constantly balling on crampons. The ridge had some snow patches, but the trail was clearly visible. I would highly recommend crampons on this section, as some parts of the route are covered in icy snow with sheepish drops below. The final ascent before summit is still completely covered in snow with conditions similar to those on the chute. The summit hut is missing the door and is full of snow.
On the way down, the wind picked up, once we struck camp and headed down from the trail camp, it started gusting with enough strength to force is to drop down and wait for lulls. It made for a slow descent, but once we got to the switchbacks above the outpost camp we were out of the path of the wind. The snow here was markedly weaker, and at one point I went in up to my waist (just below the bighorn park). Post that point the descent was unremarkable. I was worried about the snow bridge over the creek, but it was firm even late in the day.
All in all, a lovely climb. When I saw the permit system for Whitney, I thought I may never get to climb it, but coming there out of season did the trick. I hope to update this post with pictures, but I'm still traveling. Will try to add them when I get home next week.



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Thank you for your report. Very informative and encouraging for my planned trip on May 10 up the Whitney Trail.

You said that you did not need snowshoes and that the snow bridges were still there. Do you think that I will need snow shoes on May 10 and do you think the bridges will still be there?

Can you recall by chance or better yet have photos of the conditions on the west side of trail crest leading down to Guitar lake? I am planning a second trip on June 9 coming from Horseshoe Meadows. I am interested to know if the 7 switchbacks are starting to show through or if there are any foot tracks at all coming straight up to the intersection with the summit trail. I am also interested to know the snow conditions between Lower Rock Creek and Crabtree Meadows 9,500-10,500.

I'm hoping for some PCT thru-hikers to forge the trail from Cottonwood Pass to John Muir and up to the Trail Crest intersection by June 9 so we don't get to be the lucky first ascenders.

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I think the snow conditions would very much depend on the weather before the 10th. The snow was certainly melting when we went up and if it continues apace, those snow bridges may collapse or at least weaken by the 10th. I could just about make out the trail on the west side of the ridge, but it was visible as a line of snow (I.e powder accumulated on the old trail. Not sure how easy it would be to see it if the snow melts.

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So a week of very warm weather and the run off has started, first small stream you will cross is now wide enough that you will need to walk in the water or jump onto a rock in the middle of the stream, North Fork crossing you will get wet about 25' fast running stream but only 12"-18" deep but rocks on the bottom mossy.
Snow line just around the corner.

Temps drop today about 10 degrees and wind picking up so a system is moving in ,could bring snow on the upper elevations.

I would watch the log bridge just before Lone Pine Lake the logs may float , again not that deep but 50'-75' next will be the outlet of Mirror Lake could cover steps and will be slick!

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4-6 inches of snow Saturday night at the Portal and light snow Sunday temps dropped lower, 30 degrees at 4:00 PM .
Report from Mirror Lake area fresh snow about 1'


Check web cam for coverage when storm clears out.

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Thanks Doug for the info, headed up there this weekend/ Monday, conditions look good and i'm saying that about the weather.As for trail condition it's crampon, ice ax season and cold probably till the end of the month and beyond so be prepared and hike with in your limits. I will report on trail conditions once completed!

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Looking forward to your report. We are heading up on the 23rd!

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Hello everyone,

There is a great site called Mountaineducation.org that has posted, and will continue to post thru hike conditions from Horseshoe Meadows - Mt. Whitney - Onion Valley.
Pretty good stuff that I thought would be appreciated here.

Here's the link to the report but I've also posted it below. http://mountaineducation.org/trail-snow-condition-reports/

Enjoy! - Sean

2017 Reports:


May 10, 2017:

(Horseshoe Meadows to Guyot Pass)

Snowline (SL): 9,000

Creek Crossings (CC): Rock Creek has a log crossing upstream

Specific Details (SD):

1. Temperatures: 30-60 degrees

2. Snow Condition: Consolidated with a surface crust, 6-12″ of slush, then another ice layer (to slip on). Hiking crampons worn daily, depending on snow condition and slope aspect.

3. Snow Depth: (per Snow Surveyor) 200% of normal in southern Sierra with greater amounts to north similar to winter of 1968.

4. Creeks: Most are running higher than during normal pre-thaw time frames, but lower in volume than after the thaw starts. Most still have intact and reliable snow bridges, though are open in many places to get water (no need yet for creek crossing shoes).

5. Daily Logistics: It feels like the thaw is going to start soon, so days are quite warm and the snow gets soft and slippery early. Best to start your days as early as you can see (0600) and quit when potholing gets painful.

6. Trails: All buried above 9,000 feet depending on slope aspect, though we did see 100 feet of trail on one south-facing slope.

Horseshoe Meadows (HM) road is currently closed, but may be open by mid-June. HM has 2-4 feet of snow throughout. all Passes into it have snow, Mulkey, Trail, and Cottonwood.

Mt. Whitney, though not seen directly, yet, I do not expect to be safe for ascent by the average thru hiker for some time.

Forester’s chute “trail” should be cut this week.

Onion Valley road is open and has sufficient snow depth at the trailhead to allow skiing down the the asphalt.

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Recap of the weekend some made it , very slow going, ice on the chute that offset the slow going up !!some tumblers and sliders so , one near launch over the Outpost waterfall. One group over night'ed in the cabin on the summit , flown out this AM one released from Lone Pine the other air lifted to Reno, Designer Boots may have not keep out the snow/ice/ water. Recall the hut door missing and full of snow? Also strong wind last night so both are very lucky to be here for count.

Campground still closed and no water, the campground is 1/2 mile below the store and reservations are made at Rec.gov we have no information about your reservation sorry, will post when the campground opens .Store is open .

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Just got off the main trail today,Hiked to trail camp yesterday heavy snow 1/2 mile before lone pine lakes by that I mean crampons are suggested if not a must. Trail disappears from that point, log crossing is not suggested as only 15 ft is exposed the rest is buried but melting, steep hike up to outpost camp which is covered in snow no running water yet, I suggest hikers stay to the right up to mirror lake out of outpost camp and not to the left, Extremely steep and icy,watch and listen for running water as it is melting, Trail camp was cold and clear at 3:00am but by the time we got up the chute to trail crest the weather came in, snow, limited visibility and we decided to turn back was hoping to summit before the weather came in but we all know how that goes. Ran into a few who summited on Sunday so hopefully by Wednesday it clears for others.Prepare for cold weather with crampons,ice ax and plenty of water, no water source above mirror lake(its thawing on the edge)

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From Recreation.gov on the the family campsites at the Portal:

Attention: Due to unforeseen problems with the water supply, this area will not open until Thursday, May 18, 2017. Customers with existing reservations will be notified and the fees will be refunded.

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I would not put faith in that report until after Thursday afternoon and the gate is open . Until then consider the campground closed and will open at some point.

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Bob Sir,

Are you climbing Whitney via Mountaineers Rt. Or main trail? What is your enter and exit point.

My fiance and I are traveling from Kearsarge Pass to Whitney June 8th-16th. We took extra days due to the snow. Any insight is greatly appreciated.

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Main trail. Enter/exit from Portal. I will post a report of conditions as soon as we are back into cell service.

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This is not Thursday.

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The .gov website let me reserve a tent site at the Portal campground...

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Trip Report May 9-12

A bit late to post a trip report, but I figure better late than never.

After reading all these posts and debating gear planning, I decided to take the Whitney Portal trail over a west side trail from Cottonwood Pass or Kearsarge Pass. There have been many discussions about Micro Spikes vs Crampons among other things on the message board and beyond. Because I was taking my 17-year-old daughter with me I decided to error on the safety side and took crampons, ice axes, rope, harnesses and belay equipment and used them all.

May-9:
After breakfast at Mt. Whitney Restaurant and picking up permits we got a late start on the trail at 11:00 AM. We weighed our packs at the portal and found them to be 42 and 34 pounds, respectively. Even without the scale, it was very obvious that we over packed. We encountered patchy snow toward to top of the switchbacks that lead out of the Portal. The ground trail was gone by Lone Pine Creek at about 10,000 feet but a well-developed snow footprint trail was easy to follow. The snow was slushy but only had occasional posthole problems. We did not wear crampons the first day. We stayed the first night at Outpost Camp. There was running water at the SW end of the meadow just before the bend in the trail. The meadow is fully snow covered, so we camped on the snow. A full moon made for a bright night. Winds were light and variable and temperatures were in the low to mid 30's.

May-10:
We broke up camp and we each ditched at least 10-pounds of food and gear that we were not willing to carry any further. On the trail by 7:00 with beautiful sunlight warming the meadow on the south-east facing slopes.Today we wore crampons from the start and found them to be an exceptionally good choice. Together with trekking poles, we ascended steep crunchy snow out of Outpost Camp to Mirror Lake with ease and then up another steep section of crunchy snow above Mirror Lake to the ridge that leads to Trail Camp. The hike to Trail Camp was easy--thanks to our crampons and trekking poles. We got there early and so we had most of the day to soak up the warm sun and set up a great camp site. Oddly enough, we found dry ground and a nearby trickle of running water coming off the rocks which made filtering 8 litres of water simple.

Throughout the day we talked to several down-hikers who reported on the conditions above Trail Camp. For better or worse, we gave more credence to those who had a narrative that supported us making it to the summit. Unfortunately, 90% were negative, leaving us with only 10% to hang on to. Most reports were something like "snow to your waist," "dangerous cliffs above Trail Crest," or "no one has made it to the summit in the last three days." The very last person gave us a report that we held on to. He said that 4 people tried to make the summit including him. The other three were PCT hikers, who we had met early on May 9th at Whitney Hostel. The PCT hikers came down from Horseshoe Meadows and were planning to summit Whitney from the east and then return to the PCT trail down the west side. Two of the PCT hikers had snowshoes and they were the only ones to make it to the summit. The PCT hiker without snowshoes gave up early and turned back to go down to Guitar "Frozen" Lake. The hiker who we met at Trail Camp said that he made it within 1 mile of the summit, but was postholing to his waist and could not make it safely up and back so he gave up too. His recommendation to us was to leave early and get to the summit by 10:30 AM to stay over crunchy snow.

Late in the day, we met an Up-Hiker named Larry. He too was a PCT hiker who hiked down from Horseshoe Meadows and was planning to summit Whitney and return to the PCT. We designed a plan with Larry to start hiking at 4:00 AM to give us the best chance to have light by the technical areas of the chute ascent and to reach the summit with good snow conditions. We pre-packed our backpacks with the gear we planned for our summit attempt and were in sleeping bags by 8:00 PM.

May-11:
My daughter and I jumped out of our bags at 3:30 AM and were on the trail promptly at 4:00 AM. Larry had a 60 lb pack and decided he was going to stay at High Camp so his snow chute ascent would be a bit shorter. We met Larry at the High Camp and were climbing the chute at 5:00 AM. Thankfully, the PCT hikers from the day before cut 33 beautiful switchbacks in the snow chute that made our ascent much easier. The 97 trail switchback are completely covered. Only the very top long switchback that leads to trail crest is slightly visible. Even though we had the previous hikers footsteps in the snow, we took extra time to cut each step to ensure that we had good footings in order to minimise the chance of a fall. Because my daughter was not well experienced in self-arrest beyond YouTube videos and practising with me, we roped up for added safety. At particularly difficult sections I would belay her up to a safe location. Larry was EXTRA careful in cutting every single step to be perfect. One wrong move with a 60-pound pack could be very problematic. Do to our cautionary ascent, it took us 3 hours to get to Trail Crest by 8:00 AM.

From Trail Crest, the trail was easy to follow. It was a mix of snowshoe tracks from the PCT hikers and one postholer. At 8:00 AM the snow was nice and crunchy. Other than the altitude, it was very easy to hike. There are a few sections that are a bit exposed and the snow path is only a single track. However, with trekking poles, we felt very secure through these short sections. There were actually several dry ground sections without any snow at all. Toward the top, the trail became very difficult to follow. We ended up following the snowshoe tracks over toward the Mountaineers Route before arriving at the summit at 11:00 AM. The snow was still very good and easy to walk on.

At the summit, we discovered that we had forgotten all of our food. We only had a 600 calorie freeze dried dinner the night before because we had left everything else at Outpost Camp. We planned for two energy bars each for the summit day and that we would be returning through Outpost Camp after summiting on our way down to the Portal. My daughter bonked and had absolutely zero energy at the summit. I bummed an energy bar from a very nice woman who had come up the Mountaineers Route and was planning to ski down. I figured that after she had eaten if she had an extra bar it would not be too much of a burden because she would quickly be down to her base camp. My daughter sprang back to life within 30 minutes and felt great.

We left the summit at noon and began our descent. The snow was great until we got onto a south-west facing slope. I began postholing. At first, it was every 20th step. Then it was every 10th step and it eventually became almost every step. I fell to my knee most of the time and occasionally to my hip. It was miserable. Larry had snowshoes and because he needed to make it to Lower Crabtree Meadows, we said our goodbyes. My daughter walked behind me and because of her relative light weight and that she could see what didn't work for me, she was able to avoid 90% of the postholing.

Five hours of postholing later, we made it to Trail Crest at 5:00 PM. We roped up again for the descent. When we got to a safe slope to glissade, we tried that while roped together. Even though the snow was slushy, it was not soft enough for my daughter. She said that it hurt and that she would rather walk. This meant that I had to posthole from about half way down the chute back to Trail Camp. She ran ahead to trail camp and I dragged in around 6:00 PM. Like my daughter, I ended up bonking. Without any food, I had no energy. Every posthole was an episode. Back in the tent, I didn't even have the energy to chew the energy bars my daughter was shoving in my face. I eventually got them down and within an hour I sprang back to life, but there was no way that I could face hiking down to Outpost Camp to get more food and hike out to the portal in the dark. We decided to stay the night at Trail Camp.

May 12:
The wind built up throughout the night and was blowing 30 mph and gusting to 40 mph. I had guyed the tent very well and nothing broke loose, but the tent would flatten out on top of us every couple minutes. I knew the forecast was for heavy winds on May 12 so I change our trip plan to summit of May 11. I just thought that I would be down at the Portal on May 11 as well.

We broke camp and started hiking down at 6:00 AM. Hiking in heavy winds was exciting. It would blow our trekking poles in front of us on every step and we would have to angle them to help resist being blown over. In the sun by 6:30 AM or so, it was not cold at all and actually felt quite warm. We got back to Outpost Camp and picked up our gear and food. I can't believe we over packed so badly. I think it was the fear of cold that made us pack more.

Leaving Outpost Camp we saw some tracks that lead down Lone Pine Creek. Rather than ascending out of the meadow following the normal trail, we got suckered into following the "easy" path. This path lead us down some steep terrain. BTW, the snow gets soft at 8:30 in the lower elevations in the sun. This path turned out to be anything but easy. One path became several paths and then became no path. We ended up getting lost. What should have been a simple descent turned into a bit of a problem. Lucky enough, I spent the extra $50 when I bought my Garmin InReach GPS to get the one that comes with a map screen. I was using the Garmin InReach Iridium satellite texting feature to send messages back and forth with my wife to let her know that her baby is safe at night and so that she can track our progress online based on automatic 10-minute position updates. I pulled GPS and figured out how to calibrate the compass and enter waypoints. After analysing the topology map screen I set a waypoint for the trail which told me it was only 450 feet away. After a couple of attempts and going the wrong way a few times, I learned how the GPS worked I got us back to the trail at the intersection of the Whitney Trail and Lone Pine Creek. What the GPS did not tell me was that I would have to cross logs and snow bridges to get myself to the trail and soon enough we were again on dry ground.

There were many lessons learned, but here are the highlights for me:

#1: When hiking in snow on Mt. Whitney, thou shalt wear CRAMPONS. On the way down and in all our wisdom, we would see up-hikers and would poll amongst ourselves whether they were going to make the summit. We saw people with Micro-Spikes and no ice axe who said they were going to the summit. There is NO WAY they are making it. Keep in mind that it was blowing 30 mph at trail Camp.

#2: When hiking in snow on Mt. Whitney, thou shalt bring snowshoes. In fact, I think snowshoes should be talked about more on this forum. The use of snowshoes should be part of hiking etiquette. Larry, who wore snowshoes told me that on some of the east coast trails, snowshoes are required whenever there is 6 inches of new snow and hikers are required to stay on the previously forged path as well.

We absolutely ruined the beautiful path that the PCT hikers with snowshoes forged to the summit the day before us. Now, my postholes are horrible for the hikers behind me and in some cases are actually dangerous. Even when the snow is crusty it is not enjoyable to walk a path with postholes. This leads to multiple paths and a degradation of the beauty that we are there to experience. I'm planning to climb Mt. Whitney again on June 6 and will definitely be bringing snowshoes.

#3: When you are the first people out on new snow, taking the time to make switchbacks and cut safe steps is very much appreciated. I am very grateful to those PCT hikers who started the switchbacks leading up the chute rather than just carving a straight line. Larry taught me that cutting good steps that are safe for you and others is worth the extra time it takes to reach the top.

You can see a YouTube video of our trip if you are interested. At 50 minutes, it is a bit long, but you can skip through to sections of interest to look at the snow conditions. https://youtu.be/-S_cd7eO_nc




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Wow. Vivid trip report. Thank you for sharing. Congratulations on your summit and safe exit.

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Nice! Congratulations brother and thank you. Great stuff.

Solid YouTube video!

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