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The Forest Service 'customers' are those who buy AUMs and board-feet. Which are you?

If you don't find info at the forest website, the Forest Service Regional website may be better maintained. The regional sites also have graphics based tools to access a variety of types of information not usually provided at the individual forest level. For the eastern Sierra that would be either region 5 or 6.

For fire related info a better real-time posting site is the InciWeb site:
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/
Select your fire or post-fire BAER page to view and explore the tabs there like "Information", "Announcements", Closures" and "Maps".

For example I found:

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/7801/

"FOREST CLOSURES & RESTRICTION:

Eldorado National Forest Closure: The emergency forest closure in effect from August 17 through September 30, 2021 has been terminated and replaced with a smaller Caldor Fire Closure,. This new closure order is in effect from September 30 2021 and will remain in effect until March 31.
The Caldor Fire Closure, Forest Order 03-21-18 is expected to become smaller as fire containment increases and the forest receives rain and snow. Ongoing operations of hazard tree removal and suppression repair activities are also factors in whether an area can be opened. The boundaries of the Caldor Fire Closure could change several times before it is set to expire March 31, 2022.
Read the fullCaldor Fire Partial Re-opening News Release.
Forest Order 03-21-18 including map and list of closed roads/trails - Closure to all recreational activities within Caldor Fire burn scar. through March 31,2022."

On the site, the documents referred to in the text I cut and pasted here are often available as links to the documents themselves.

Dale B. Dalrymple

While they may often share the common themes of ignorance and self-entitlement, taxpayers and customers are not the same thing.

Why do you have to quit just because your partners do?

Perhaps you should save the angst for sometime after the fire has been put out. Found from the resources I have previously described:

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/article/7801/67055/


"Caldor Fire Closure Boundaries will be Adjusted as Conditions Change
Caldor Fire Wildfire
Closures – 4 days ago

Caldor Fire Closure Boundaries will be Adjusted as Conditions ChangePLACERVILLE, Calif. - The boundaries of the Caldor Fire Closure, Forest Order 03-21-18 will be adjusted to reflect changing fire conditions and other hazards associated with the fire area. The closure area is expected to become smaller as fire containment increases and the forest receives rain and snow. Removal of hazard trees and suppression repair activities are also factors in whether an area can be opened. The boundaries of the Caldor Fire Closure could change several times before it is set to expire next March.
“For example, we have no intent of keeping Kirkwood closed for skiing once there is adequate precipitation on the ground,” said Forest Supervisor Jeff Marsolais. “Currently there is still a fire threat due to extremely dry unburned fuel within and near the Caldor Fire perimeter, and interior burning that continues.”
September and October have historically had some of the largest fire runs on the Eldorado National Forest associated with strong wind events at this time of year. Unburned vegetation would easily be ignited by embers. Needles that have fallen from burned trees have also created a highly flammable layer within the Caldor Fire area.
Many recreational opportunities have opened for day use such as the Rock Creek Trails on the Georgetown District; the Loon Lake Boat Ramp and Picnic Area on the Pacific District; and many others. "

Dale B. Dalrymple

That's an excellent idea - open an Angst Savings Account (ASA)! I opened one decades ago, and now I have plenty of angst whenever I need it.

Dale, thank you for all that information. You obviously spent a great deal of time and effort responding to an obvious rant. You know sometimes you just have to let people vent. I am well aware of and regularly use Inciweb. If I am guilty of something it's glossing over the part that said they will revise the forest closure order when conditions (rain and/or snow) warrant it.

You seem to question my dictionary. We are in fact customers of the forest service and we happen to be taxpayers as well. Customers aren't just buying logs from the forest service. The NFS "sells" access to a product or service, that is the forests they maintain. We buy access with taxes and/or fees for entry, campsites, wilderness permits, etc.

Also, check your dictionary for the word "angst." You don't know me. How could you possibly know that applies to me? You could more easily surmise anger and frustration, but angst is most closely related to anxiety and apprehension.

As for "quitting" it was the wisest choice for me at this time, so I don't need your judgment about that. I'm in my late 60's and don't care to attempt the climb with people I don't know, if I were to recruit just anyone if that is what you're suggesting. It's also not wise to go alone at altitude and in very cold weather. I never wanted to go in October anyway, and it would require extra clothing and equipment compared to July/August. I would be at Trail Camp tonight where it's about 14 degrees F with about 20 mph wind; not exactly pleasant weather. Yes, that could happen in any month but much less likely in Summer.