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I just gave my annual talk to the Sierra Club, in which I review the lastest and greatest things in backpacking. In the research for the talk, I came across this innovative pack design, which just has me shaking my head. I am continually amazed at the inventiveness and determination of folks.

ultralight packs

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amazing what they can do with bubblepak

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About 3 times as expensive per ounce as silver. I expect it's worth it, though.

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And this, too - Joe the Packmaker - you might have a political future.

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doubles as a trash bag liner too,sorry had to say it. shocked

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Wow, this pack weighs more than the shoulder straps on my Astralplane. It's really exciting to see how far people can take the ultralightweight materials these days but the fact that certain crucial prts like padded hip belt, and padded shoulder straps were considered "optional" accessories has taken things just a tad too far. The lack of a suspension system seemed rather self-defeating because of its load transferring ability helps tremendously with fatigue that the extra weight saved on bigger loads won't be worth it. Reminded me of my first trip up to Weber Lake so many years ago with an old external frame pack - my shoulders and back ached for days.


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Its great to see that people are putting on their thinking caps to make things lighter = a good thing, but this one doesn't seem very realistic/practical. Where do you put the bear canister? It is probably OK for a day hike, but with no real support it looks like torture for a multi-day trip. cry


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Originally Posted By John P
Wow, this pack weighs more than the shoulder straps on my Astralplane. It's really exciting to see how far people can take the ultralightweight materials these days but the fact that certain crucial prts like padded hip belt, and padded shoulder straps were considered "optional" accessories has taken things just a tad too far. The lack of a suspension system seemed rather self-defeating because of its load transferring ability helps tremendously with fatigue that the extra weight saved on bigger loads won't be worth it. Reminded me of my first trip up to Weber Lake so many years ago with an old external frame pack - my shoulders and back ached for days.



John, in all fairness, the reason that you are not seeing load lifters or hip belts is because packs in lightweight to UL weights are not really good at carrying heavier weights. They are intended to carry lighter, smaller loads where a hipbelt or load lifters are not nescessary. Just my 2 cents.


That pack is made of cuben fiber and you will be seeing some UL tents coming out in this fiber. There are many innovations that have come out of cottage industry manufacturers. Folks just check out Mountain Laurel Designs, Six Moon Designs, ULA, Gossamer Gear and check out what they have. Lighterweight and knowledge makes hiking much more enjoyable.

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That pack is really sitting on his shoulders - it looks like it would be a killer to wear other than as a day pack.

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and I bet you that his skin out weight is around 12 pounds or so. Really don't think that it would make much of a difference on if it hurt or not


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Comments from the ZPack website:

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Joe Says:
"I carried a single Blast 26 backpack my entire PCT thru-hike (2,663 miles). I carried a base weight of around 5 lbs (gear list), and generally 12-20 lbs with full food and water.

At one point I carried 35 lbs for an 11 day stretch without re-supply through the High Sierras of California. My shoulders weren't happy about that much weight, but the pack took it like a champ! (Under 20 lbs is a more comfortable weight with frameless packs)

By the end of the five month trip the pack was quite a bit frayed and beat up, but still in very usable condition. Not bad for a sub 5 ounce backpack!"


Okay - it is, what it is - just made for those who are comfortable carrying minimal gear. I don't know why they even make a 3200 cu in pack if it's not made to haul more than 20 pounds comfortably.

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Originally Posted By wingding
I don't know why they even make a 3200 cu in pack if it's not made to haul more than 20 pounds comfortably.


I can't speak for this pack, but...

I often use a Gossamer Gear G4. About 4100 cu in, ideal load 25 pounds or less. I like the extra volume, as I can leave my down sleeping bag uncompacted in the bottom (in a plastic bag). That lets the sleeping bag loft better, fills the area around the waist belt evenly, and makes everything else ride nicely a little higher.


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