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I'll toss in some cash if that materializes. Its always nice to have someone to help carry.
I'm still stickin w/ the mouse.
It's about the journey and what you learn along the way.
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The consensus among the people I trust is that we shouldn’t bother carrying the extra weight up. (Deleted comment.) The only thing that could possibly make me change my mind is that it is kind of cool to rap that terrain from the summit to the Notch instead of having to down climb it. You are probably referring to my comment.  Still there (on bottom of page 8). Kurt had mentioned to me that he does three pitches using a 50 meter rope on the section from the summit to the Notch. I think down climbing that section would be the part that would make me nervous (of course depending on conditions)... Using Kurt's guides sounds like a good idea. Whichever way you guys do it... I will miss not being there.
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Hi all, I am also in on the money thing. As always we are responsible for ourselves. You shouldn't be out hiking without being responsible for your own decisions. I am so excited to see everyone again and meet new hikers that share the same love.. 
Get up! Get moving! That is when life begins.
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Hi I forgot when that senior hike is , are they going to get a tent? Doug
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Since we need a Roll Call to determine who's still interested in the climb, please reply with your thoughts regarding this also.
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I will be dayhiking. I have not done much over 10k this year, so I will be in the old slow group. Probably an alpine start and if some are still camping, I would arrive as they are breaking camp. Some have expressed an interest to hike with me. I am ok with taking people up lower section in the dark. Start time will be based on conditions report in the week prior and on word of who is camping and where. As far as higher up, I will be responsible for myself and will hike as far as I feel like. Will be bringing ice axe and crampons and hope Richard is not throwing rocks down at me this trip. I have not done a winter climb(but winter is over anyway), but have several spring time summits of varying conditions.
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Hi I forgot when that senior hike is , are they going to get a tent? Doug Hi Doug, I think that the Senior Hike is on June 23. Also, I think that Bob R will build an igloo and keep it refrigerated until summer so that it will be available as a beer garten along the way! B
The body betrays and the weather conspires, hopefully, not on the same day.
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Hi Everyone, I am not an official leader of this climb. We are a bunch of mountain lovers who happen to be heading up at the same time. I think this pretty much summarizes my approach to this climb and to me it's the only sensible way to look at it. Richard and MC were nice (or crazy) enough to post this as a public get together and to assume that there is any formal structure I think would be a mistake. Just like any hike with a group of friends, everybody is basically responsible for themselves in how they plan and participate in the outing, although, of course anyone in the group who can see that something bad is going to happen will always step in and try to warn everyone of the situation or hazard. I think the big group will have a tendency to break up into “like-minded” climbers I think so too as some will be fast and some will be slow, and the people who end up together will probably tend to watch out somewhat for each other as in: "Hey don't step on that snake over there", or: "Watch this rock, it's loose", but since this is not a formally guided trip no one is going to watch your every move to make sure it's safe. The ultimate responsibility lies with yourself to know that whatever it is that you're doing is within your capabilities and capacities. it is kind of cool to rap that terrain from the summit to the Notch instead of having to down climb it. I was kind of thinking the same thing and am debating right now whether I want the extra weight or not. Are there established rap stations in the chute or is it just take 'em as you find 'em? So, for me, this is all about getting together and having some fun, a little snow camping, and a nice climb hopefully to the summit. If along the way something turns out to be different than what I envisioned, or sketchier than I want to attempt, then it's time to turn around and head down. Today the high was 9 degrees and the winds are blowing pretty fierce over the next few days. Whew! Good luck to all the parties up there right now!
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If it is to happen, im with carole and the Mouse. no big deal if not.
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Roll Call- Count me in.
I'm in for the big party tent. I'll still bring a bivy in case I get thrown out for having consumed too many bean burritos the night before. I have a butane lantern I could bring along to enhance the festive atmosphere.
On the other items-
I suggest no to "some avalanche gear and a couple shovels" unless we're talking enough rental beacons for everyone who doesn't own one. I have a couple of shovels and probe poles but I think they're about as useful in a spring avalanche as CPR for cardiac arrest on the trail. What will be useful is familiarity with the route in season- I'll defer to the expertise of those who have been there multiple times. If "most" are planning to bring beacons then I'd be happy to rent one if available.
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I will be dayhiking with the intention of catching the overnighters before they head up.
Arthur, if you don't mind I'd like to officially name this trip, "Mission Impoxia". It would be nice to enter that into the summit register if it is there.
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WOW! A “personal (off the board) message” to Richard with some thoughts and suggestions gets cut and pasted into a post and voila! (French I think) now I am negotiating with Kurt. Now I am wondering why they call this “good Friday.” Anyway, I think Kurt gets off the MR in a couple days and will see how all this will pan out. Ultimately, as said before we will need a pretty firm roll call in the next few days. A good (and safe) time will be had by all. Richard, next time I will send thoughts tied to the ankle of my carrier pigeon (in disappearing ink). I think on April 18 this just may be one to remember!
Ron Case
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please don't try to sell me anything...
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Some random comments:
- I am not an official leader of this climb. We are a bunch of mountain lovers who happen to be heading up at the same time. (And, in spite of what some people insist on, I don't think a formal leader is necessary. Those of you with less experience just need to trust those of us who have more experience when we offer advice.)
- I was an Assistant Climbing Instructor for three years at California State University Long Beach in the mid-seventies, so I know a thing, or two, about handling rookies. (One of my students was Bob Gaines. YOSAR, Guidebook writer, Guide, etc. We did a bit of crazy climbing together back in the day.)
- Don't ask me for gear recommendations. You should know what you need and how to use it by now. (Meaning before you make an attempt on Whitney.)
- Please don't sue me or Doug if you get hurt, or worse. As I said above, NOBODY can guarantee that you won't get hurt when you go into the mountains. (Dr. Ashcraft died almost a year ago in an unfortunate accident that could have happened to anybody. Some times, luck just doesn't stay on your side.)
- As you can see, I have a tendency to get a little defensive when people (especially people who don't have a clue as to who I really am) imply that I can't possibly keep people safe.
- On a humorous note (maybe): I may do my best imitation of Don Whillans the next time I run into some people. Sorry for my earlier tone but I just thought someone needed to say something to clarify things. I suspect people are thinking they're getting something they aren't on this excursion. I hadn't planned on saying anything else about this but thought I'd make a quick comment and back out of this: Richard, I think you made it very crystal clear people really are on their own here and they should have their own skills, knowledge, and decision making capability for this. You are not taking that responsibility. Good on you for clarifying this. Don't put me on the list of attendees. I would rather be somewhere the hoards are not on that weekend. Perhaps a little backcountry skiing somewhere. Be safe everyone.
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Here is a revision of the original list. Please PM me with any status changes.
Confirmed:
Richard P.
GigaMike
bobpickering
westhegimp
sierragator
markjwpcp
Shin
Jeff Scofield
colo_matt
Alan Arnette
HypoxicZombie
Jackalopes
SanDi_carole and Brandon
M.Mouse
JimQPublic
tomcat_rc
JamesL
Blindtheft (Dan)
Mark Irving
TBD:
Adam Bomb
cherylmc
ynottony (Tony B)
njb (Nick)
AreteJoe
Andrew Gunderschaug
melville1955
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I think markjwpcp should be called mustache mark  or cookie. nothin but love to you mark <3
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Richard and MC were nice (or crazy) enough to post this as a public get together and to assume that there is any formal structure I think would be a mistake. Actually Richard was nice enough to agree to take me up the MR and offer to carry a tent (& rope if I felt it necessary). I had thought it would be just us or maybe Giga and a few of the crew. He knows I don’t get down to the Sierra often and planned a great trip for me. That made it even harder to have to ‘bail’. Never was it said this climb was a structured/guided climb. But I have found that in the group hikes I've done, there is an underlying allegiance. Richard has given me a rain check... And I will take you up on that one, Richard...
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I'm in with the zombie bunch...
I'll put some cash in the pot for the ropes if need be...
Heading out the door to Los Osos for Easter,
Everyone have a nice Easter.
any request for cookies....(carole)
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Hi I forgot when that senior hike is , are they going to get a tent? Doug I think Doug should get 'breakfast in bag'...
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I've never used a guide in the Sierra and kicking in a "few" bucks won't make me feel like I have. I think this agreement should be modified to have one of the guides up at The Notch on Saturday. Of course, that would mean an adjustment to the price that is listed above. (And if you use the services of the guide to get to the summit, remember that tradition dictates that you give him/her a big fat bonus (tip) for their help in your accomplishment.) Kurt and I had discussed this when I was still on the climb. He wanted to get Richard’s input and a consensus… He did state that it wouldn’t be like a standard guided climb; more like having a ‘base camp manager and Sherpa’. I believe he even mentioned he would cook? He was originally considering going himself but he just messaged me before heading up to the MR that he, personally, wouldn't be able to make this trip.
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